Thank you John. I'm glad this piece resonated with you. Zoey O'Toole (who is one of the smartest and most level-headed and well informed people I know) and I worked hard on it!
I read the top half and skimmed the bottom. I learned most of this in the last 6 months. Its nice to see most if pulled together here in addition to some more source information I need to read at some point. I may have missed this above but wanted to chime in a few things:
-If you read the simpsonwood transcript it is clear the Doctors in the room were aware that aluminum was a potential issue in addition to thimerosol. And even then, in 1999, accidental intravenous injection was suspected of being an issue as well.
-Dr. Offit has made a note that the natural experiment of removing thimerosal from the vaccine and not seeing the autism rates go down proves it wasn't this ingredient. Toby Rogers make a point that as they removed it from one vaccine they added another one increasing aluminum and I think even added one to the pregnant mother exposing more aluminum in utero.
-Toby Rogers' thesis is worthy of a skim as he gets into the political structures of the regulatory bodies involved as well as the some of this science.
Thank you, Dennis. Hopefully you'll have time--at some point--to read the rest. I'm a big fan of Toby Rogers and also encourage everyone to subscribe to his Substack: https://tobyrogers.substack.com
Excellent summary and yet there is still more to say! As we all just saw extreme examples of the use of propaganda in the last 2 years: it is amazing what propaganda can do. In the late '90s we still had vaccine information sheets that stated both the complications and risks of the particular disease AND the potential risks from the vaccine. The general summary and message to the parent was always "in most cases, we believe the benefits outweigh the risks". But once the public started questioning (as per your article) and some studies started cropping up, there was an intentional campaign to gain public trust in vaccines. Now I say intentional because it wasn't secret or behind closed doors. CDC changed the information sheets and all of us in pediatrics were told to say "Vaccines are safe" (instead of benefits vs risks). Now, we knew that saying this to parents over and over would eventually sway public view. What surprised me (but now doesn't) is that having physicians and nurses say that over and over again every day BRAINWASHED the health care providers-- they now believe vaccines are safe and forgot that there are risks and they are not always rare.
And with our newer understanding of our microbiome, we have not begun to look at how the diseases of childhood, in healthy children, helped induce a protective immune response. For example, while chickenpox is very contagious disease and can cause serious complications in some people (usually adults), it was primarily a benign disease if contracted in childhood when we had it in circulation regularly. Pediatricians and pediatric infectious disease doctors would have told you in the '90s, when the vaccine came out, that the reason for the vaccine was financial: a kid would be home from school for a week and for families whose both parents worked, staying home a week for each kid was costly to them and their employer. We RARELY saw complicated chicken pox, except in those immune compromised (cancer, HIV). Plus the CDC used the cost of hospitalization as a primary reason for the need for the vaccine (a few kids who had worse illness were hospitalized each year). It had nothing to do with the chicken pox being a dangerous disease. Even Pedi Infectious disease experts thought, at that time, that chicken pox was likely protective in some way. These "rashy" illnesses were thought to clean up the inflammation and reset the immune system. A decade early, in the 80's, I recall many of the well respected older pediatricians doing rounds at Johns Hopskins Children's hospital. IF we had a patient with asthma or one with behavior/ ADHD type probems, they would say "what this kid needs is a good rashy disease". Then a civil and interesting debate between that community physician and the attending doctor would follow -- because at that time, even the academic professors at cutting edge hospitals could recognize the potential risks of these vaccines AND they were allowed to debate it. Both sides knew the "science wasn't settled" and more importantly both sides were concerned that we had no data on the long term effects of these new amazing vaccines. While they absolutely did prevent illness, we had no idea what did they do for our health in the long run.
There was also good data on this after the fall of communism and the "wall came down" in populations of children studied in East Germany: E. vs W. Germany were genetically similar populations but had significantly different environmental exposures and lifestyles. There was more pollution and poverty but less access to antibiotics and vaccines in E Germany vs the modernized West. According to the asthma science at the time, we should have seen more asthma in E Germany. However, several studies showed significant more asthma and allergies in West German children, even after accounting for factors associated with diagnosis. When these data were debated in the international asthma circles in late 90's, no western mainstream medical journal would publish it.
I am a PNP of 24 years (20 of thoses in research), plus another 11 years as a pediatric nurse. I have handed parents their dead child-- death from diseases for which we now have vaccines, I have done vaccine research and witnessed serious adverse effects (short and long term) in some people. I have partially vaccinated my children; I have seen my child suffer some complications of vaccines and as well as complications from one of these diseases for which I did not vaccinate. And I was part of metabolic research circles: identifying factors that might effect the mitochondria (and other cellular functions). And that science-- is where I really saw the government run, cover up and not fund future research.
So much more to say. Thank you for this long information-filled comment, Lisa! Years ago I wrote an article for Mothering Magazine called "The Vaccine Debate." It was over 20 pages long. And I still feel like I was just skimming the surface...
Excellent article. One of the best on the subject, currently. And I’ve read a lot about all of this over the last 30 years. I saw a tremendous number of harmed children in my practice and it grew in numbers over the years. It’s been an uphill battle to let go of the programming we all received and then to try to overcome the friendly family doctor’s advice. Believing in one’s doctor is about the same as one’s belief in God. Disengaging from one’s attachment to the family doctor is extremely difficult if not impossible. Not usually attained unless harmed or family/children are harmed. And difficult even then. Which is why our current situation has been so global. One doesn’t say “no” to a doctor easily.
It can take years -- years -- to let go of the programming. Changing your mind based on new information is uncomfortable. And we humans seek comfort. I realized this even more strongly when I read Julie Obradovic's "An Unfortunate Coincidence." Even though her daughter got sicker and sicker after every "well baby" visit, she trusted the doctors when they said it was just coincidental. It took her something like 7 years to realize what was really going on. Doctors make mistakes, just like everyone else. But it's easier to see them as gods.
Thank you for writing this. You succinctly and accurately describe what I have long suspected but have been unable to articulate to my friends and family.
Here is some GREAT news everyone!!! Western University Drops ALL Vaccine Mandates
And Twitter drops Covid Misinformation Policy
Remember the scandal with Western University in Ontario, Canada, that was requiring boosters from its students?
That’s the college that required bivalent boosters for fall classes.
"What made them change their minds?
I am sure it is you, the protesters, the public, substack authors, etc.
The experts are possibly starting to worry that their role in the “pandemic” will soon be subject to pointed questions from the disappointed public worried about health and fertility.
Personally, I will do my best to continue exposing Covid criminals so that they are not let off the hook and their crimes are not forgotten.
Ain't that the truth? It's just so hard to go against the mainstream culture and conventional medical doctors who tell you your child will die if you don't get a hepatitis B vaccine (two nurses said that to my neighbor a couple weeks back, to pressure her into accepting yet another shot for her 5 year old.)
We are instructed by our Creator to not put anything prohibited , strange, or unclean into our bodies. This would also include concoctions. Witchcraft of course then is forbidden and so this means just what is in all of those pharmaceuticals?
How many deaths per 1000 children are necessary to help us unlearn the dogma "vaccines cannot cause autism" and begin the scientific search for truth? We are all children.
From a reader: "Surprisingly, my first encounter with "anti-vax" information was in 1984 on the CBS Morning News! I was in the hospital after having my first child and had the TV on. There was a news story about mothers who believed their children had been injured by vaccines! Some were present on the show. This freaked me out as I had never heard anything about this being a possibility! When the pediatrician/family dr. came to visit me after checking my son in the nursery, I told him what I'd seen and asked him about it. Of course, he reassured me saying that there were risks in everything, but the risks were greater NOT getting the vaccines than getting them, and HIS children had gotten them with no problems. So, I was a "good little girl" and had my first two children, who were both born in the '80s, vaxxed.
"By the time I decided to start having more children in the '90s, I had done a lot of reading about the dangers of vaccines (in articles and books since this was pre-internet) and about home birth. My next 4 children were all born at home(from 1996 to 2003) and none of them were vaccinated.
Jennifer, this post is a big step for you and takes a lot of courage. I have just changed my subscription from Free to Founding Member. God bless!
Thank you so much for your support, James. I am very grateful.
Accurate, concise and beautiful summary. Great piece of writing. Hope it is published far and wide. Thanks.
Thank you John. I'm glad this piece resonated with you. Zoey O'Toole (who is one of the smartest and most level-headed and well informed people I know) and I worked hard on it!
I read the top half and skimmed the bottom. I learned most of this in the last 6 months. Its nice to see most if pulled together here in addition to some more source information I need to read at some point. I may have missed this above but wanted to chime in a few things:
-If you read the simpsonwood transcript it is clear the Doctors in the room were aware that aluminum was a potential issue in addition to thimerosol. And even then, in 1999, accidental intravenous injection was suspected of being an issue as well.
-Dr. Offit has made a note that the natural experiment of removing thimerosal from the vaccine and not seeing the autism rates go down proves it wasn't this ingredient. Toby Rogers make a point that as they removed it from one vaccine they added another one increasing aluminum and I think even added one to the pregnant mother exposing more aluminum in utero.
-Toby Rogers' thesis is worthy of a skim as he gets into the political structures of the regulatory bodies involved as well as the some of this science.
https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/handle/2123/20198/Rogers_T_thesis.pdf
Thanks
Thank you, Dennis. Hopefully you'll have time--at some point--to read the rest. I'm a big fan of Toby Rogers and also encourage everyone to subscribe to his Substack: https://tobyrogers.substack.com
Excellent summary and yet there is still more to say! As we all just saw extreme examples of the use of propaganda in the last 2 years: it is amazing what propaganda can do. In the late '90s we still had vaccine information sheets that stated both the complications and risks of the particular disease AND the potential risks from the vaccine. The general summary and message to the parent was always "in most cases, we believe the benefits outweigh the risks". But once the public started questioning (as per your article) and some studies started cropping up, there was an intentional campaign to gain public trust in vaccines. Now I say intentional because it wasn't secret or behind closed doors. CDC changed the information sheets and all of us in pediatrics were told to say "Vaccines are safe" (instead of benefits vs risks). Now, we knew that saying this to parents over and over would eventually sway public view. What surprised me (but now doesn't) is that having physicians and nurses say that over and over again every day BRAINWASHED the health care providers-- they now believe vaccines are safe and forgot that there are risks and they are not always rare.
And with our newer understanding of our microbiome, we have not begun to look at how the diseases of childhood, in healthy children, helped induce a protective immune response. For example, while chickenpox is very contagious disease and can cause serious complications in some people (usually adults), it was primarily a benign disease if contracted in childhood when we had it in circulation regularly. Pediatricians and pediatric infectious disease doctors would have told you in the '90s, when the vaccine came out, that the reason for the vaccine was financial: a kid would be home from school for a week and for families whose both parents worked, staying home a week for each kid was costly to them and their employer. We RARELY saw complicated chicken pox, except in those immune compromised (cancer, HIV). Plus the CDC used the cost of hospitalization as a primary reason for the need for the vaccine (a few kids who had worse illness were hospitalized each year). It had nothing to do with the chicken pox being a dangerous disease. Even Pedi Infectious disease experts thought, at that time, that chicken pox was likely protective in some way. These "rashy" illnesses were thought to clean up the inflammation and reset the immune system. A decade early, in the 80's, I recall many of the well respected older pediatricians doing rounds at Johns Hopskins Children's hospital. IF we had a patient with asthma or one with behavior/ ADHD type probems, they would say "what this kid needs is a good rashy disease". Then a civil and interesting debate between that community physician and the attending doctor would follow -- because at that time, even the academic professors at cutting edge hospitals could recognize the potential risks of these vaccines AND they were allowed to debate it. Both sides knew the "science wasn't settled" and more importantly both sides were concerned that we had no data on the long term effects of these new amazing vaccines. While they absolutely did prevent illness, we had no idea what did they do for our health in the long run.
There was also good data on this after the fall of communism and the "wall came down" in populations of children studied in East Germany: E. vs W. Germany were genetically similar populations but had significantly different environmental exposures and lifestyles. There was more pollution and poverty but less access to antibiotics and vaccines in E Germany vs the modernized West. According to the asthma science at the time, we should have seen more asthma in E Germany. However, several studies showed significant more asthma and allergies in West German children, even after accounting for factors associated with diagnosis. When these data were debated in the international asthma circles in late 90's, no western mainstream medical journal would publish it.
I am a PNP of 24 years (20 of thoses in research), plus another 11 years as a pediatric nurse. I have handed parents their dead child-- death from diseases for which we now have vaccines, I have done vaccine research and witnessed serious adverse effects (short and long term) in some people. I have partially vaccinated my children; I have seen my child suffer some complications of vaccines and as well as complications from one of these diseases for which I did not vaccinate. And I was part of metabolic research circles: identifying factors that might effect the mitochondria (and other cellular functions). And that science-- is where I really saw the government run, cover up and not fund future research.
We are in crazy times. Keep up the conversations!
So much more to say. Thank you for this long information-filled comment, Lisa! Years ago I wrote an article for Mothering Magazine called "The Vaccine Debate." It was over 20 pages long. And I still feel like I was just skimming the surface...
Excellent article. One of the best on the subject, currently. And I’ve read a lot about all of this over the last 30 years. I saw a tremendous number of harmed children in my practice and it grew in numbers over the years. It’s been an uphill battle to let go of the programming we all received and then to try to overcome the friendly family doctor’s advice. Believing in one’s doctor is about the same as one’s belief in God. Disengaging from one’s attachment to the family doctor is extremely difficult if not impossible. Not usually attained unless harmed or family/children are harmed. And difficult even then. Which is why our current situation has been so global. One doesn’t say “no” to a doctor easily.
It can take years -- years -- to let go of the programming. Changing your mind based on new information is uncomfortable. And we humans seek comfort. I realized this even more strongly when I read Julie Obradovic's "An Unfortunate Coincidence." Even though her daughter got sicker and sicker after every "well baby" visit, she trusted the doctors when they said it was just coincidental. It took her something like 7 years to realize what was really going on. Doctors make mistakes, just like everyone else. But it's easier to see them as gods.
New to your stack...and love it. Thanks for your excellent, unapologetic article.
Thank you Katherine!
Thank you for writing this. You succinctly and accurately describe what I have long suspected but have been unable to articulate to my friends and family.
You're welcome. Thanks for taking the time to read such a long post!
Here is some GREAT news everyone!!! Western University Drops ALL Vaccine Mandates
And Twitter drops Covid Misinformation Policy
Remember the scandal with Western University in Ontario, Canada, that was requiring boosters from its students?
That’s the college that required bivalent boosters for fall classes.
"What made them change their minds?
I am sure it is you, the protesters, the public, substack authors, etc.
The experts are possibly starting to worry that their role in the “pandemic” will soon be subject to pointed questions from the disappointed public worried about health and fertility.
Personally, I will do my best to continue exposing Covid criminals so that they are not let off the hook and their crimes are not forgotten.
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/western-university-drops-all-vaccine?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=441185&post_id=87658338&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
Thank you. So good to get some good news!
Fantastic. Thank you for speaking truth unapologetically, intelligently and with compassion. God Bless you.
Thank you, Melissa. Thanks for reading.
Once again, thank you. If parents would only THINK .........
Ain't that the truth? It's just so hard to go against the mainstream culture and conventional medical doctors who tell you your child will die if you don't get a hepatitis B vaccine (two nurses said that to my neighbor a couple weeks back, to pressure her into accepting yet another shot for her 5 year old.)
We are instructed by our Creator to not put anything prohibited , strange, or unclean into our bodies. This would also include concoctions. Witchcraft of course then is forbidden and so this means just what is in all of those pharmaceuticals?
Here's a partial list. Note that "trace" amounts are not listed, and neither are contaminants: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf
Cow's milk protein contaminated vaccines cause 75% of autism cases
https://vinuarumugham.substack.com/p/cows-milk-protein-contaminated-vaccines
How many deaths per 1000 children are necessary to help us unlearn the dogma "vaccines cannot cause autism" and begin the scientific search for truth? We are all children.
Thank you so much, Jennifer, for this excellent summary! Shared!!
Thank you, ma'am.
From a reader: "Surprisingly, my first encounter with "anti-vax" information was in 1984 on the CBS Morning News! I was in the hospital after having my first child and had the TV on. There was a news story about mothers who believed their children had been injured by vaccines! Some were present on the show. This freaked me out as I had never heard anything about this being a possibility! When the pediatrician/family dr. came to visit me after checking my son in the nursery, I told him what I'd seen and asked him about it. Of course, he reassured me saying that there were risks in everything, but the risks were greater NOT getting the vaccines than getting them, and HIS children had gotten them with no problems. So, I was a "good little girl" and had my first two children, who were both born in the '80s, vaxxed.
"By the time I decided to start having more children in the '90s, I had done a lot of reading about the dangers of vaccines (in articles and books since this was pre-internet) and about home birth. My next 4 children were all born at home(from 1996 to 2003) and none of them were vaccinated.
"Just wanted to share."
This is a very good article on this topic, one that I can share with people who may not know the history or connect the dots. Much appreciated.